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Treo "Hollywood" = Treo 800p?

UPDATE (June 12, 2007): Looking for information about the new Treo 800 form-factor?  See my latest post Treo 800w New Treo Form Factor First Images!

There’s one thing that we know for a fact: the new Treo 700w is but one of a total of four new Treo smartphones _confirmed_ to be released by Palm in 2006 [read Treo 2006 Product Pipeline Update]

In December, Palm CEO Ed Colligan stated that “Our continued investment in R&D will not only allow us to add the Windows mobile platform to our product line [Treo 700w], but we will deliver next calendar year [2006] four new major smart phones at varying price points, and we will implement next generation radio technologies and offer new industrial designs.”

Additionally, Forbes reports that Caris & Company Equity Research analyst Susan Kalla “believes the new Treo 700 with the Palm OS may be delivered in April, before expectations of May, and may also be released initally at Verizon.”  Adding also that “Palm will have three new international phones and at least one new [Treo] could be for Vodafone”.

However, we don’t yet know exactly:

  • When they will become available
  • Which carrier(s) will be first to release these
  • What these new Treo smartphones will look like
  • What their specifications may be

A brief recap of the rumours surrounding these four new Treo smartphones may be in order:

Availibility + Carriers

  1. January 2006: Treo 700w (WM 5.0, EV-DO) currently available exclusively from Verizon (CDMA) until June 2006 and from other carriers (CDMA & GSM) thereafter
  2. April 2006: Treo 700p (Palm OS, EV-DO) exclusively from Sprint (CDMA) for 6 months and from other carriers (CDMA & GSM) thereafter
  3. March-May 2006: "Hollywood" - rumoured to be called Treo 800p is expected to be offered primarily by Orange and/or Vodafone in Europe and in US likely to be launched by Cingular
  4. March-May 2006: "Lowrider" - a sub-$300 device and entry-level smartphone, compatible to previous-generation network radios (like those found on the current Treo 650)

Looks + Specifications

  1. Treo 700w and Treo 700p are expected to share identical specifications to the obvious exception that the first runs Windows Mobile while the second runs PalmOS. Also the screen is 240x240 in the first and 320x320 resolution in the second.
  2. Treo “Hollywood/800p” is expected to be a slimmer and fancier 3G/GSM smartphone without external antenna to appeal to European customers (see image below) and some quarters claim (take with a pinch of salt) that it will include:
    • More memory: 128MB RAM
    • WiFi option via WiFi SD Card
    • Bluetooth 2.0
    • EVDO/3G (HSPDA?) Data Connectivity
    • Enhanced 320x320 touchscreen
    • 3.2MP camera
    • Faster processor
    • Accessories compatible with Treo 650
    • Slimmer form factor and ‘sleeker’ design
  3. Treo “Lowrider” – no data or rumours available to date but this could be a simple low-end modification of the Treo 600 or Treo 650

Even though there are little more than rumours at present, one thing is for certain: there are millions of existing Treonauts who like me are anxiously waiting to upgrade to the next generation PalmOS Treo…

Palm Seen as ‘Undervalued’ [Forbes.com]
Treo 800p Confirmation – March 15 [Treocentral Forum]

Treonauts are always ahead of their generation


Posted by Andrew on February 2, 2006 at 11:22 AM
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by Blake | Feb 2, 2006 11:44:41 AM

Bummer! So, is this in essence saying a guy like me who is with Sprint might never be able to use the Treo "Hollywood" since it will be a GSM phone and SPRINT works proimarily on CDMA? This is news that I hope is not true. I have long wanted a Treo without an external antenna and one that is slimmer. Any input is appreciated greatly!

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by Andrew | Feb 2, 2006 12:04:22 PM

Blake - the information on the Treo "Hollywood" is based on current available rumours which indicated a GSM-only version.

However, if the past is any indication I would imagine that Palm will want to make both GSM and CDMA version available - albeit not necessarily simultaneously.

Cheers, A.

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by Stephen Packard | Feb 2, 2006 12:26:39 PM

hmmm....this is going to make things more complicated.

My initial intention had been to get a Treo-700p the day it becomes avaliable, but if the 800p/Hollywood is going to sport some better features and be avaliable in the near future, it might be worth waiting.

However, if it only comes out in a GSM version (or at least won't come out in a CDMA version for a few months), then that's not good for me, because there is good EVDO coverage in my area from Sprint and Verizion, but no high-speed coverage to speak of from Cingular.

Of course, I'd have to know some actual specs, as opposed to rumors before figuring out what to do...

-Steve

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by Stephen Packard | Feb 2, 2006 12:35:21 PM

hmmm....this is going to make things more complicated.

My initial intention had been to get a Treo-700p the day it becomes avaliable, but if the 800p/Hollywood is going to sport some better features and be avaliable in the near future, it might be worth waiting.

However, if it only comes out in a GSM version (or at least won't come out in a CDMA version for a few months), then that's not good for me, because there is good EVDO coverage in my area from Sprint and Verizion, but no high-speed coverage to speak of from Cingular.

Of course, I'd have to know some actual specs, as opposed to rumors before figuring out what to do...

-Steve

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by Blake | Feb 2, 2006 1:39:54 PM

Steve, are you on Sprint or Verizon?

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by Andrew | Feb 2, 2006 1:51:04 PM

Again, not confirmed, but there was a specific rumour that the Treo "Hollywood" would be a carrier 'Signature Device' (ie. fully carrier branded inside and out) that would only be made available in Europe for GSM (for Orange and/or Vodafone).

Doesn't make a lot of sense but stranger things have been known to happen...

Cheers, A.

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by yoda | Feb 2, 2006 1:58:01 PM

Treo “Hollywood/800p” is expected to be a slimmer and fancier 3G/GSM smartphone without external antenna to appeal to European customers (see image below)

appeal to european customers??? geez, what about appealing to US customers?! who wouldn't want a slimmer and fancier anything?!

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by Jason C. | Feb 2, 2006 3:51:50 PM

Unless the "hollywood" is backwards compatible with the u.s. gsm market it's not gonna make a difference what the design is cause we won't be able to use it. Unless somebody know's something i don't (which is always the case)

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by Mikey | Feb 2, 2006 4:06:42 PM

Identical specs for the 700p... does that mean they're DOWNgrading the screen resolution to 240x240?

Yuck.

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by Andrew | Feb 2, 2006 7:04:32 PM

Mikey - my mistake... Have updated my post to reflect 320x320 resolution on PalmOS.

Cheers, A.

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by Charles | Feb 2, 2006 9:16:53 PM

Andrew: Unfortunately for all Treo holders, the Treo market is mostly US and market studies have shown that US consumers don't trust phones with integrated antena to have as good a reception as phones with external antena.

It's the usual big=better US thing.

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by Blake | Feb 2, 2006 10:37:27 PM

Andrew, sorry, so the Palm 700p or whatever it is going to be called will keep it's current screen settings and will not be downgraded to what the 700W's is, right?

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by Dave | Feb 3, 2006 3:13:26 PM

128 MB, faster processor, and (most importantly to me) backward compatible with Treo 650 accessories... if all of this is true, and if Cingular is the vendor who will be offering the 800p, then I will certainly be lining up to get my hands on one.

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by ev | Feb 4, 2006 5:44:41 AM

you would know everything if you worked for palm like me :)

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by Blake | Feb 4, 2006 11:53:35 AM

EV: Spill it....please :)

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by iZam | Feb 4, 2006 1:37:57 PM

What do you think about this article's picture?


http://www.pdamexico.net/content/view/1969/

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by James | Feb 5, 2006 1:44:57 AM

The Blackberry's lack an external antenna and people still use those, so I don't think having an external antenna is what Palm would base its decision on.

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by ev | Feb 5, 2006 9:51:33 PM

...EV :) ...The prototype for the hollywood is ,4.2 mp camera with flash ,verizon evdo, 4gig microdrive,internal wifi,remote control so you can control tvs,radios, so on ,voice act,detatcable ANTENA
AND a bluetooth headset inclueded with the smartphone

not so sure if they will stay with this plan or not..., but I GOT ONE to test it is great... OH AND A REMOTE that hides in the battery area SO YOU can crontrol your treo so put IT IN ITS CRADLE AND SIT BACK AND RELAX AND USE YOUR PHONE like watch movies on the Enhanced 320x320 touchscreen... EV :)

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by Fred | Feb 6, 2006 5:56:11 AM

"without external antenna to appeal to European customers"

Not to make too big an issue of this, but where did this conclusion come from? There are plenty of phone models over here that have antennas, mostly the 'flip phones' that are so in right now.

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by Andrew | Feb 21, 2006 7:20:07 AM

I live in Norway right now and 99% of phones do not have an external antenna. I think it is even more key on a phone the size of the treo. I had a treo 650 and I sold it because with the antenna it was just too much in my pocket. Does anyone know if the "hollywood" model with be quad band like the other treo GSM's?

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by Cinder | Mar 4, 2006 5:29:30 PM

How does one get a Smartphone that will work even if I go to Europe? I have a Verizon Treo 650 and found out I can't use it when I go to Europe. What do I have to do to ensure that when I upgrade to one of the new phones that I'll be able to use it when I travel overseas?

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by Matt A | Mar 7, 2006 6:25:54 PM

Andrew: This all depends where you plan on traveling. The vast majority of the world's cell phone carriers use GSM technology (Cingular and T-Mobile in the US).

You can either use a GSM phone abroad, or you can rent a GSM phone during your travels. Many companies offer prepaid SIM cards that you just stick into any tri- or quad-band GSM phone and you are ready to rock. Sadly, your CDMA Sprint/Verizon phone will be worth essentialy nothing across the Atlantic.

(If I remember correctly, I believe I read that every single country in Europe has at LEAST one GSM carrier.)

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by Nikki | Mar 19, 2006 1:39:32 AM

I am extremely excited about the Treo "Hollywood" !!!!.. I hope it comes out much more sooner! cuz I don't think I can wait any longer!
But I do wish that the technical specs would finally be confirmed rather than just depending on rumours~!!
EXCITED !!!
Come on out BaBy "HoLLyWooD"

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by Ryan Dahl | May 18, 2006 6:49:31 AM

Uh oh boys. Looks like maybe the hollywood is just a dream:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12170

"Last November, a report from Sagio Investments described two new Treo smartphones to be launched this year, including one code-named "Hollywood," described as a more stylish 3G Treo designed for the European market. Brighthand can now confirm from very reliable sources that this device does not exist."

Ryan Dahl - Golf pro

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