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Treo 800p First Images

This weekend further details and the first pictures of a next generation PalmOS Treo 800p have emerged.

Treo 800p

It’s always hard to tell from blurry spy shots (above) what the relative proportions of the device might be but a side-by-side comparison with the Treo 755p (below) appear to indicate that the Treo 800p will have:

  • A smaller display (still a square touchscreen with 320x320 resolution though) running PalmOS Garnet
  • A narrower body and by extension also narrower keyboard (about 10–15% less than previous models)
  • A shorter body (possibly shaving up to 5mm at the top)
  • The same HotSync connector as current devices (meaning that most existing Treo accessories will work fine but naturally the smaller form-factor will require new Treo cases)
  • Much more “rounded” edges and body (moving away from the angular design first introduced with the Treo 700)

Treo 800p Comparison

Although the thickness of this new Treo 800 (unconfirmed name) appears to be roughly the same as that of a Treo 680 the anonymous source who took the pictures pointed out that the overall form factor is smaller and thinner than a Treo 650.  Also, the keys of the keyboard are made out of a soft translucent plastic.

Treo 800w

Finally, these latest pictures of a Treo 800p seem to put to rest previous rumours that a Palm OS device with a rectangular non-touchscreen display might be released.  Clearly, the previous Treo 800 images (above) are now with some degree of certainty those of a future Windows Mobile Treo 800w and a similar form factor running PalmOS will not be released.

Treo 800p Live Spy Shots [via Palm Infocenter]

Treonauts always get the first pictures


Posted by Andrew on August 6, 2007 at 08:22 AM

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by Sam | Aug 6, 2007 9:44:26 AM

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.........

Looks like the 755p was the last decent-looking Treo for a while.

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by Crypto314 | Aug 6, 2007 10:08:18 AM

I do not like the idea of a smaller screen. I vote to have the key pad removed except for the dark gray area and make the screen larger. But what do I know?

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by dmm | Aug 6, 2007 10:23:37 AM

A lot of what I've been reading is that this isn't an 800p (or w) design so much as a new low-cost Treo. That looks much more likely to me than this being the new more advanced model. Whether that means the 800 will resemble the 755 or be a new design, of course, is not yet clear.

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by Khris | Aug 6, 2007 11:41:49 AM

If this is the new future of Palm, I'm really glad I just sold my Treo and went back to a WinMob device.

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by tgwaste | Aug 6, 2007 11:44:57 AM

definitely the ugliest palm phone ever made.

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by TazUk | Aug 6, 2007 11:47:21 AM

As dmm has mentioned this is more likely the rumoured Treo 690 than the 800.

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by treo750user | Aug 6, 2007 11:52:08 AM

This thing is UGLY, whatever it is.

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by strayduck | Aug 6, 2007 12:37:40 PM

I agree with DMM, this has a more iConsumer feel to it that a pro business model. It would be really disappointing to see Palm actually *remove* screen real-estate from their high-end models instead of maintain (most likely) or add (welcome surprise).

Really love my Treo but they're going to have to do a lot better than what's pictured here to not start losing the market slowly and steadily to all the innovative competition surrounding them.

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by The African Nerd | Aug 6, 2007 12:40:48 PM

WTF is is ugly piece crap? Someone in SunnyVale needs their brains blown off

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by dmm | Aug 6, 2007 12:57:30 PM

I've also seen rumors that we'll see one or more models (differentiated by GSM vs CDMA, Palm OS vs WinMob, colors etc.) with this design bearing numbers in the 500 range.

What with all the marketing effort Palm's put in on the 680 (worldwide), that makes the most sense to me.

I'm surprised at the shift back to a straight-line keyboard. Maybe it wouldn't fit if the device width is smaller, but it seems a big thing to give up. I hope the basis may be clearer when we can see a live unit.

That said, I definitely don't plan to be in line to get one of these. No reason to upgrade from a 680 that we can see yet (doesn't look smaller enough for that to make a difference) and I'm holding out for a Linux-based model, which Ed Colligan has said won't be coming until 2008.

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by Mpaper | Aug 6, 2007 1:42:55 PM

According to the original source, (uncredited by the way) as we stated, the Sprint product release has it named as the "Gandolf". Our sources say that this is not the 800p. We posted a photo of the 800w a month ago, and although you have to squint, the 800w does resemble these new photos.

http://morningpaper.typepad.com/morning_paper/2007/06/palm_gandolf_in.html

http://morningpaper.typepad.com/morning_paper/2007/07/possible-pic-of.html

We are unwilling to call it the 800p because 800 would be a step up. Those specs associated are not a step up. The 800w however will wifi enabled according to Sprint. Our sources tell us the 800p will also have wifi, GPS and run on Palms new Linux.

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by dmm | Aug 6, 2007 2:03:31 PM

Mpaper--is there an ETA yet on the 800p? (Or the w?) I realize that it would need to be taken with anything from a grain to a truckload of salt, but it'd still be good to know.

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by Mpaper | Aug 6, 2007 2:32:04 PM

Sadly no on the P. But if you remember, Palm stated that they had to push back their new linux devices until 08. Being that the 800p is said to run on the new OS, I can only assume that we will have to wait for 08.

Sprint's roadmap at this point says Q4 for the 800w. So as far as Sprint is concerned, we have another month or two. However, it has been rumored that Verizons version will release first. Sorry, can't give you more than that.

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by dmm | Aug 6, 2007 3:06:18 PM

That's what I'd thought (the p coming in '08). When you posted earlier, though, I couldn't tell if it was intended to indicate that or to voice a rumor that somehow didn't fit. Good to know we're on the same page.

The good thing is that if we're hearing about the p now, that points to the possibility on an early '08 release. No way to be sure at this point, of course.

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by Tommy | Aug 6, 2007 5:17:14 PM

U-G-L-Y. This combined with the Foleo should make a banner year for Palm stock.

It kind of looks like a combination Palm Zire and Moto Q, only they took the worst parts of both somehow. It must be an attempt to make a cheap consumer friendly model. But, I'm perplexed how they could go from the sharper looking 680 and 755 to this design?

If the Foleo is running Linux, why not the Treo's? I wish I had this much time on my work projects.

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by Jim | Aug 6, 2007 6:32:26 PM

what on earth are treo thinking? what brilliant engineering team came up with this? are they from afghanistan?

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by dmm | Aug 6, 2007 6:49:37 PM

The Foleo is running Linux, yes. It may or may not be the same version of Linux as the core of the Linux based Treo models anticipated for next year. However, it doesn't have the same interface (I say this from twice having used a Foleo at the recent demo events). The Treo interface will be an update to Palm OS as we know it now.

Ed Colligan said in Palm's latest financial conference call that there won't be Linux based Treo models this year and that the Foleo is Palm's only Linux-based product for 2007. Unlike the Foleo, where Palm sets the distribution and release schedule, Palm has to coordinate the scheduling for every Treo model with each of the carriers offering it. That's part of why you may see on some websites, that carriers in other countries are "now offering" the 680 or 750.

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by zoltan from Hungary | Aug 7, 2007 3:35:57 AM

This is Palm's another step towards a complete DISASTER!
No inventions, degradations, only facelifting an existing product. I still have my Treo650 and I still dont have enough reasons to upgrade.
Foleo is just another disaster. Ok for an invention but I think they need 10 inventions a year, so when 1 turns out to be GOOD, it'll pay of the other 9.
Treo 800? That's actually silly.

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by LouMacUser | Aug 7, 2007 4:34:11 AM

I am not impressed. I have to buy a new phone asap as my 650 is failing (CDMA) and need something quickly. The VZN 700p is good option but what bothers me is the 755p should be on VZN and yet I have to be forced to buy a obsolete device. Id rather get another Q (black) if I have to compromise I'l take the better form factor as I also carry a Blackberry for work. Talking about BB, the 8800 series is on the verge of posing a major threat to the Treo from style form and functionality.

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by Michael | Aug 7, 2007 9:34:15 AM

oh no ! What a piece of crap - and where's the screen ? Is it this little, stamp-sized thing in the top middle of this ugly object with a cheap plastic-look ? Guess I have to take care of my Treo 650 until Palm unveils the past-Treo-800-form-factor.....

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by Michal Illich | Aug 7, 2007 2:25:12 PM

This looks really horrible.

If they'd rather release another round of 680: now with UMTS, 2 megapixel camera and Palm OS. It would be absolutelly sufficient - no need for another form factor when the current one is OK (can be slimmer, but that's the only complaint I can have).

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by allie | Aug 7, 2007 7:19:48 PM

BUTT ugly + smaller screen means that I would not dream of buying one of those. yuk. Needs to be thinner and lighter not smaller an more narrow. Screen needs to be larger.. looks like something from 10 years ago. Don't even bother Palm. Looks like a failed attempt at a bad "apple" product. lol!

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by Blake | Aug 7, 2007 10:11:48 PM

I read all the above posts. It makes sense what some of the people are saying how this isn't supposed to be the next new upgrade, and more of a cheaper version that will appeal to the less serious PDA user. Even if that is the case, I still think Palm has fall short with this phone. It wouldn't appeal to a blind person in looks, it wouldn't appeal to the young crowd who wants Sidekicks and iPhones. And it won't appeal to the serious PDA user since they already have a 680. Who is this going to appeal to? I don't think it will appeal to enough people to be worth releasing it. My contract is up next month with Sprint. I've used a Treo 600, 650, and 700. I loved them all but I'm probably leaving Palm since they've failed over and over on coming out with something new worth buying. The 680 was very nice, yet no WiFi. I've read this isn't important with a lot of people, but if SO many of Palm's competitors put WiFi on their phones, why not Palm? They address every issue besides the ones that need attention. No new OS, lousy camera, no flash, No WiFi, ancient bukly design. Forget 'em. I'm tired of waiting when there's many other great products out there now. If Palm comes out with a device that has all of the above, then great. Maybe I'll come back. But will it be too late if or when they finallyr do? The longer they take, the more customers they'll lose and the greater chance they won't get those customers back. I remember the Treo 600 and how blown away I was with how easy it was to use and how there was practically nothing else like it. Now, there's not only things like it, but better and for the same price. I miss the old days when their devices were one of a kind. Hopefully they can be that company again. In the mean time, I'll let them work things out and try something else.

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by Kerem | Aug 7, 2007 11:24:18 PM

Hey PALM... seriously, what is the reason that it has been amazingly difficult hearing your core, devoted customers?

You simply froze on the progress and genuine creativity and turned the future of promising Treo product into mystery.

You guys have been dwelling on one success and kept making simply derivative Treo last four years but no significant new product. Shame on you.

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by Mikey B | Aug 9, 2007 1:20:23 AM

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if these images are all really good mock ups.... this thing is hideous to the point of nothing I've ever seen.. How could anyone actually like this design, I've thrown up and had it look better than this. maybe the 755p will be my last palm device.. :-(

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