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Treo Windows Mobile (700w) Finally in my Hand!!!

There was really only one thing on my mind throughout this trip to San Francisco and CTIA: make sure that I could lay my hands on a Treo Windows Mobile (700w).

The official channels (Palm/Microsoft/Verizon) were a complete no go on this front as they’re still keeping their cards close to their chest and no doubt will continue to do so for at least two more months (but even then any evaluations will be under strict NDA).

I was therefore naturally delighted to have bumped into Peter Rojas from Engadget who ‘just happens’ to have a Treo 700w in his pocket…  Peter then kindly let me have a play with it and also take some pictures (sorry about the low light but this was a bit of a rush snap). 

Leaving aside the fact that I am extremely annoyed (understatement of the century) that he should have one while I don’t at least I can now say that I’ve actually seen and touched the real thing…

Like me, Peter is a big PalmOS fan and so he shared that while he would personally still prefer to own the next Treo 700p (running PalmOS) there is no doubt that Windows Mobile 5 OS is a big improvement over previous generations – particularly with Palm’s many improvements.  At the same time, the maximum resolution of the Treo 700w at 240x240 pixels still has some way to go to beat our current Treo 650 320x320 resolution.  Evidently people who believe that a Treo Windows Mobile will be ‘far superior’ to a Treo PalmOS are likely to be comparing apples with oranges… each will have something unique to offer but they will not be the same.

Now, if someone somewhere out there ‘just happens’ to have another spare one of these Treo Windows Mobile devices that they would like to share with Treonauts then you know where to reach me…

Two small things that I forgot to mention…  The Treo 700w appears to be ‘slightly’ lighter and slimmer than our Treo 650.  Also, I played around with the ‘squarer’ keyboard on the 700w and overall it was very good but I couldn’t say that it was either better or worse than the more rounded one currently on our Treo 650.

Also, you can now visit our Treo Store to find the bestselling Treo 700w accessories and Treo 700w cases for your smartphone.

Treonauts always get their hands on the good stuff

Posted by Andrew on September 29, 2005 at 05:07 PM

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by mb | Sep 29, 2005 4:55:19 AM

being the OS is now designated by the letter, does anyone else think that from a hardware standpoint this new model should be called a Treo 630..... double ewe

at best.

by Jimmie | Sep 29, 2005 7:20:58 AM

Yes, Treo 630 has a nice ring to it for the Treo 700w. Don't worry there will be a Treo700p, as Jeff Kirvin told me his sources told him it will be more impressive than the Treo 700w. I think we will see it before years end, on Sprint.

by jimme | Sep 29, 2005 8:03:14 AM

Can you give us a mini review? I know you probably didn't get to use it long enough, but could you give us some thoughts? Anything would be appreciated. Thanks.

by jimme | Sep 29, 2005 8:17:45 AM

by manielse | Sep 29, 2005 9:38:51 AM

I know people are under NDA but can we at least get confirmation that they are using the same connectors at the bottom and that the existing cradles will work.

Looks like the form factor is a bit different so I'm not even gonna bother to ask about cases...

by A. Davis | Sep 29, 2005 12:33:09 PM

Manielse - The same plug type is extremely likely. Palm tends to change this every few years, but the 650, LifeDrive and others have the same power and sync connector type. As for cradles themselves, I doubt it. Its a different form factor as you pointed out and an additional cradle is an additional form of revenue.

Andrew - how do the buttons feel? They are quite obviously different from the 650. And the 650's buttons were a *huge* improvement over the 600's buttons. I'm curious how the 700's buttons feel to you compared to the 650 since its possible that the future 700p might share the 700w's form factor.

by Neal | Sep 29, 2005 1:35:42 PM

Andrew, you were at the Engadget get together last night in SF? It would have been great to meet you, your site rocks!

by MILE | Sep 29, 2005 1:44:56 PM

Strange...maybe it's the way the picture was taken, but it looks even slightli bigger than the 650...!? I'm still disappointed with the hardware design of the new device anyway...! :(

I would have hoped it would be a little more like this baby here:



I still find the 700w too bulky somehow...but that's just my personal impression...

by Nick Danger | Sep 29, 2005 9:53:23 PM

So lemme get this straight. Palm decides to put out a Shmindows Mobile Treo with an inferior screen (probably the only way to preserve sufficient battery life) and we're supposed to go ga-ga?

!@##$!@#&!! Windows Mobile is Crapware. A Windows Treo is the last thing we need.

But word is the Treo 700p is going to be "better" than the 700w? Hah. MicroCrap's unmatched marketing power already has the Palm OS in a headlock and is starting to squeeze. Witness Verizon--the 700w gets Verizon's matchless 400-700kb connection, but we Palm users are stuck with an 80kb connection. (Probably another antitrust violation beneath that discrepancy. Try telling that to Netscape...) The Treo 700p will probably have a slightly-less-crappy camera or some other useless feature that's supposed to wow the die-hards. But don't expect to get TV on it, not on Verizon, anyway. You need broadband for that.

Look. Phoneless PDA's are dead. With Sony bailing out, the Treo was the only thing keeping the Palm OS viable. But with a Windows Treo now available, Palm OS now has no chance to compete for new users. The noobs and sheep will buy Windows Treos, leaving only the die-hards to hang onto their aging Palms.

IOW, Palm OS just became a niche OS for die-hards, like Mac OS, except the Palm OS is going to have a very short life in its niche. Unlike Apple, Palm passed on the rights to the OS and now has no incentive to be a niche player.

The Grafitti is on the wall. Palm OS is slated for extinction. I predict the 700p will be the last Palm OS Treo.

by Jake | Sep 29, 2005 10:40:12 PM

Hello Andrew, saw the webcast and thought it was a hoot when they flashed Bill Gates telephone number on the screen of the demonstration and folks were calling him on the stage. Partnering with Microsoft was definitely something that had to happen to sell a boat load of Treos to enterprise customers but I want my Palm OS 700!!

BTW, Bambi is a babe and an Treonaut, did you get to meet her at the Msft event?

by Chan | Sep 30, 2005 12:24:41 AM

Well, by the look of it, I guess squre key are little better that our 650 ones because they are little bigger and still the body is lighter and slimmer.

For me I don't mind the soze of Treo 650 but I don't like the thickness of the device.

At it's best it could be same witdh & hieght but the thickness should be somewhere now where it end the doc connector.

Slimmer battery, slimmer antenna (removed may be), smaller IR, SD and Ringer Switch area and less reinforced gap in between LCD and the outer frame will help to achive this.

Hope it will be the Treo 700p :-D

by Andrew | Sep 30, 2005 1:08:40 AM

Chan - actually, now that you mention it, Bambi was sitting right next to me at the event and she is indeed a Treonaut ;-)

Cheers, A.

by TazUk | Sep 30, 2005 5:38:46 AM

I have no great desire to own a Windows powered Treo, but if I had to have a Windows Smartphone then I would want it to be a Palm made one.

by Arjun Krishna | Oct 2, 2005 4:28:12 PM

Is there going to be windows mobile support for treo 650 as well? I hope we can load windows mobile on sprint treo 650 in the hopes that it would not crash as much as palm does.

by Todd Crane | Oct 20, 2005 6:52:42 PM

Have you had a chance to look at the new Motorola Q that is supposed to be Verizon's version of RAZR as a Smartphone? And do you have any idea when it will be available? I am trying to determine whether or not to get the 650 now or wait until next year. Thoughts?

by Bramh Gupta | Jul 30, 2006 11:42:44 AM

I have a Sprint Treo 700p. will that be possible to load windows mobile on this smartphone and still be running on Sprint network,

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