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Treo Nitro = Hollywood? + Treo Lennon?

A Cingular roadmap showing not one but two Treo smartphones?  Two new Treo smartphones without an antenna?

Well, if you believe the (not particularly descriptive) image above this is exactly what we can expect to see around October this year according to engadget (please don’t ask me what happened to the August/September ETA as I’m equally anxious to get an updated GSM version for our Treo ASAP…)

Presumably this “Nitro” and “Lennon” codenamed models are representations of none other than the famous Treo “Hollywood” that we’ve previously heard so much about.  However, there are a couple of things that I had not considered. 

The first is that Cingular might ‘simultaneously’ release both a PalmOS (Nitro) and Windows Mobile (Lennon) version.  The second is the additionall Treo sales impact (the Treonauts Worldwide counter has already hit 4,000,000!) that this new model (with two OS’) and its terrific antenna-less form factor (it is also presumed to be slimmer) will benefit from on the worldwide GSM market (for example with Orange and possibly Vodafone pushing it aggressively across Europe).  The third is that Palm ‘may’ decide to name instead of number its future Treo models.

I personally have little doubt at this stage that we will see both of these Treo smartphones and my only wish is that it will be a LOT sooner than October…

via Engadget [Thanks for the tip Vincent]

Treonauts always want the future to arrive sooner…

Posted by Andrew on June 27, 2006 at 02:50 PM

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by SIMON | Jun 27, 2006 6:07:32 PM

hey these are even better than those half blurry pictures of the hollywood! lol

by the way andrew, how does the treonauts worldwide counter work? its actually below 4,000,000 for your info. not sure where you got that count from. but is that just a hit counter to your treonauts blog? or is it users who actually registered their treo's? or is that just some random number generator that just keeps incrementing every so many seconds without it meaning anything?

by Thought | Jun 27, 2006 9:38:37 PM

Unfortunately, any Palm unit will not have 3G connectivity, as the current version of Palm OS, Garnet, cannot handle it. It comes down to this: UMTS requires the unit to handle simultaneous voice and data transmission, but POS cannot do that due to its lack of multitasking.

So the Palm unit unfortunately will most likely be the rumored lower priced version. In fact, given that Palm usually gives less features in its smaller models, I wouldn't be surprised if Palm didn't slap a lower res screen like on the Zire on this lower end unit, just to keep the cost lower.

So Cingular users will face a dilemma: in order to enjoy 3G, they will have to put up with the flaws of Windows Mobile, which are considerable. In order to enjoy the great usability of Palm they will have to sacrifice 3G, and perhaps a few other features.

by Andrew | Jun 27, 2006 11:44:45 PM

Simon - you may want to read this post to find the answer to your question...


Cheers, A.

by SIMON | Jun 28, 2006 12:03:20 AM

thanks andrew. but that post doesn't say anything about the treonauts counter on the left hand side? where is that number coming from?

by Andrew | Jun 28, 2006 12:51:56 AM

Simon - the counter represents cumulative Treo smartphone sales since the launch of the Treo 600 (see chart in my link). Current total sales are estimated based on last year Q2Q growth as well as year over year total growth. Thus it is estimated that there are now over 4 million Treonauts worldwide...

Cheers, A.

by Simon/2 | Jun 28, 2006 4:14:28 AM

Bad news, very bad news.

My Treo 600 has been dying slowly from its well-known buzz problem for months now, Palm plan to launch their new phone not until October, and the roadmap for the US market is usually months ahead of the European market... Which means that I will be able to get a new treo in the first quarter of 2007 at the earliest, if at all...

And then there's this problem with PalmOS and UMTS. Can anyone confirm this?


by mark | Jun 28, 2006 1:26:32 PM

As these various models are discussed, from time to time, one issue remains unclear: Are these *upgrades* to current models or *downgrades* (lower price points, etc.)? I see a lot of speculation about upcoming, but very, very little information about their *hierarchy*. Anyone?

by mike | Jun 28, 2006 2:06:31 PM

If the new models are smaller, lighter, and don't have an antenna, I almost don't care what the features are. Even if it has the same performace as a 650, it's an "upgrade" for me.

by mark | Jun 28, 2006 6:59:19 PM

[Just noticed I left out a word in my previous post. Should have been: "I see a lot of speculation about upcoming *models*.]

Anyway, for me, the issue is I don't want to buy a 700p GSM in the next few months, then have a better model (Nitro/Hollywood/Lennon/Whatever?) come out 3 months later. That would REALLY piss a lot of customers off.

Also, I honestly don't understand the aversion to the antenna. Don't get me wrong; if the Treo gets smaller, fantastic! But the antenna itself isn't a big deal to me. Also, keep in mind that they can only get *so* small -- because they have to be manipulated by human hands (at least until they do away with the concept of typing). :-) So there has to be a QWERTY keyboard, and there has to be a display. (You don't want *that* to get smaller, do you?) But hell -- if they can "trim the fat," plus make it thinner, I guess everybody wins.

by Kevin | Jun 28, 2006 7:59:27 PM

To say I'm excited would be like claiming that the Indian Ocean is "soggy."

My Verizon contract can't expire soon enough. I'm so glad I didn't decide to get either of the 700s now.

by Thought | Jun 28, 2006 8:53:05 PM

It would be nice to know what those boxes witht the numbers and letters stand for. They obviously has some meaning in terms of describing the features of the phones.

by Kevin | Jun 28, 2006 9:27:25 PM

That's my thinking too, and it is too bad we don't know what they mean.

The only difference between the two (block-speaking) is that the Lennon has a 'W' and 'P' block, whereas the Nitro does not. What do these stand for? 'W'iFi and....'P'-something?

by Kevin | Jun 28, 2006 9:29:21 PM

...As a follow up (after-thought is great, huh?), the 'B' block may be Bluetooth, and the '10' block may be UMTS Class 10, or whatever it's called. (My Cingular knowledge is a little hazy.)

by Thought | Jun 28, 2006 10:43:08 PM

Actually, it's GPRS class 10...which wouldn't be too spectacular...

And the Palm Based Treo won't have UMTS...engineers have already weighed in on the fact that the Palm OS will not handle UMTS...

by Kevin | Jun 28, 2006 11:56:20 PM

You're right--GPRS. Unless Palm has somehow hardwired Garnet, or aren't using it at all.....ahhhhhh, what's great about this speculation is that isn't based on any fact.

I'm just going to have fun following this for the next several months.

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