Palm Now Free To Push PalmOS

I have little faith that this "treo" will ever be more than just a promise. I spend more time waiting and rebooting, and reloading, and calling for help then I have with any other piece of equipment. I am now on my 7th treo. I started with the 650 and after getting frustrated by sending in for new units, I gave up and bought the 700p hoping to dump the problems. It is better, but I am still reloading, calling for help and getting new phones in the mail because it does not work correctly.

Personally, I think the treo is junk and I long for the days of my trusty palm pilot and a good cell phone that dose not freeze everytime I make a call.

Tom

to above:
sounds as though you're one of those 'problem child' customers. And I would never recommend you using the treo. Seven treos? give me a break man. You just dont know how to use the damn thing and you're making it more expensive for the rest of us. Please just go back to a normal phone.

While I don't like Brandon's tone, I must agree that seven Treo's is excessive. It is true that there are some third-party applications and utilities that will make the Treo unstable, and diagnosing it when it happens can be difficult. You are likely running some old software that hasn't been updated for Palm OS 5.2 and later (don't listen to the version numbers - there have been a LOT of changes since 5.0 that affect compatibility).

All of this has to do with the Palm OS, which you've ironically been using all this time - it's just that you're expecting it to do a LOT more, and it doesn't handle it very well. Much like the Macintosh of the mid-nineties, what the user needs is simply more than the old OS can handle.

I tend to run a lot of software, but VERY few hacks or programs that affect the whole system. As a result, my Treo is rock solid. Phone, PIM functions, Internet (web, e-mail, SSH, VNC, RSS, Google Maps), multimedia - it all just works here.

I agree, some third party apps can make your palm unstable and make you blame the treo. Although, my 680 appears rock solid and so far I have not had any compatibility issues that I had on my palm t/x and that I have seen on the 650.

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In reference to the topic, specifically "push", I also read that Palm will be issuing a push e-mail update on Monday? This is great news if it is true because that was the one key feature for me that has separated the 680 from the 750. My IT dep't plans to support the MSserver built-in push capabilities.

I hope that it's true and it works well.

"However, Palm has pulled enough tricks out of its hat in the past few years to make me extremely optimistic about a ‘possible’ new PalmOS release ‘soon’."

Oh really?

I speak as a disappointed ex-Handspring Visor and Treo user. When those products were released, they were so ahead of their time. However, the development of Palm hardware has moved at a snail's pace over the last eight years, while Palm has been busy selling off Palm OS, renaming itself PalmOne, then buying the rights to call itself Palm, and now thinking of developing another Palm OS again.

What 'tricks out of the hat"? I see none!

Correction: Sale of the Palm trademark by then-PalmSource was NOT part of the deal by which Access bought PalmSource. PalmSource made that deal with then-PalmOne before PalmSource was on the market. Furthermore, PalmSource, when it sold its rights in the Palm mark to PalmOne, retained a license for several years to continue to use the Palm mark. I would speculate that the recent renaming of the Palm OS by Access has something to do with the perpetual license to Garnet acquired by Palm Inc. (fka PalmOne), and explains the otherwise high price for it.

As I have said several times here (and contra the blogger), I do not believe that Palm will ever use ALP or that ALP will ever be used much in the US. Further, it's make-or-break time for the PalmOS, and if Palm Inc. does not release a multi-tasking OS that can handle 3G for GSM devices, Palm may fully convert to using Windows Mobile (with its tweaks) and perhaps we may see a Symbian-based Treo with a Palmesque twist. In fact, it is not beyond possibility that the next generation of Palm Inc.'s Palm OS will be Symbian based with an emulator for Garnet apps. There are many different flavors of Symbian already (i.e., Series 60, Series 90, UIQ, etc.).

I have installed the new EAS push update that was released and set up an Exchange account with mail2web.com. I could not figure out why the phone was not consistently receiving pushed messages until just now. It seems unless I manually connect to the internet using the browswer or Network under Prefs the phone will not receive the pushed messages. Can anyone else confirm if this is happening to them? I would assume that Versamail should maintain the connection as long as I have it set to sync automatically as the messages are received....

I have been a Treo fan for years now, starting with the 600, then to a 650, another 650 (the 'special color edition :-)) and now to a 680. Im in India, and end up paying a lot more for the phone than people in the US, and yet... and yet! I am SO disappointed that i had to miss models in between cause they were US only (cingular only) and now i tried to download Blackberry connect software, and guess what! its cingular only! Just cause Im not in the US, why should i be stuck with a phone on which i cant use the functionality that it was meant to provide? I can understand it not carrying operator profiles etc. built in, but not supporting important functionality like push email at all, that isnt fair! I really think this is my last treo... sad... really is a fabulous device! I look at the bb 8700g and weep!!

Jon - thank you for the correction relating to Palm Inc.'s purchase from PalmSource of its share in the Palm Trademark Holding Company. I have updated my post accordingly.

Cheers, A.

What tricks have they pulled out of their hat? I've been using Palm OS since the PalmV and have a treo but I seriously doubt they even have a hat to pull anything out of at this point. All this nonsense about selling off palm os, only to pay for a license for it tells me that somebody up there doesn't have a clue what they're doing.

Chater email...it works just fine. Sure it's $35 year, but it works great. Have your emails forwarded to your Chatter email address. Send yourself an email, see how long it takes...it's pretty much instant. Battery life lasts all day for me. Oh, and yes, I can't wait for ALP...UMTS/HSDPA is a must in 2007!!! An upgraded OS look is a must(PalmOS ((AccessOS now)) looks like the original Nintendo). I am quite excited for the iPhone!!! But I will always love my Treo.

This makes no sense.

Why would Access buy an OS that runs on Palm devices IF Palm (irrespective of company name and shareholding shenanigans)?

If Palm Inc has a new OS coming then Garnet/et al is pretty much worthless. Why would access invest in ALP if Palm were doing their own.

You know Palm is killing it's user base slowly with these games and there is no clear development path or future. To me this is a symptom of a company with failing leadership and no clearly communicated vision.

I'm not sure Palm can be saved.

Great another OS to abandon for Palm. I email this because if i had to call i might not be able to hang up or If i try the old bluetooth it may or not pair.

That being said, Never install anything that didnt come with the palm phone box hows that for open source, Chattermail included because when it syncs the phone reciever will go quiet for about 3 seconds.

Tethering works great though

I've had my Treo 650 for almost a year now, and I put all kinds of apps on it to try out..and I guess it has crashed...like once every 3 months or so. I wonder why some people seem to have so much trouble, because i have none. I depend on my Treo as my only phone, and it never lets me down.

the 650 was more stable than the 700p

The thing is, stability seems to be a relative issue, depending on which phone (even within the same version) and which apps you have. Two people with the same phone and applications can have devices that behave compleatly differently, but that breaks down to the way each user operates their device. Some see this as a fault, but people need to remember that this isn't a calculator or a See'n'Say. It's a computer that you can put in your pocket. Expect some stability issues. That being said, I use my Treo (and my various other Palm OS devices) daily, and while I do occasionally have some "stability issues" they are easily fixed. Honestly I can't see myself going to anything else.

Well I am guessing it breaks down to wether you are using it data heavy or phone heavy. I run it phone mostly and only run email and the occaisional web search so I guess I am more irritated by the phone issues.
but still if Jack Bauer wouldnt use it to make a phone call why should I. Notice he only uses as a PDA.

>>>The thing is, stability seems to be a relative issue, depending on which phone (even within the same version) and which apps you have. Two people with the same phone and applications can have devices that behave compleatly differently, but that breaks down to the way each user operates their device. Some see this as a fault, but people need to remember that this isn't a calculator or a See'n'Say. It's a computer that you can put in your pocket. Expect some stability issues. That being said, I use my Treo (and my various other Palm OS devices) daily, and while I do occasionally have some "stability issues" they are easily fixed. Honestly I can't see myself going to anything else.

Sorry, I disagree. It is 2007, we are not using half-baked technology or testing buggy products for manufacturers shipping defective hardware and software. My desktop computer (OS X) runs nearly flawlessy and is extremely well-designed, so that it is a joy to use.

A buggy, mediocre smartphone is just not acceptable in the marketplace today. No amount of excuses justifies inferior and defective products.

Incorrect, last season he used it as both. He was talking into a treo when he told Chloe to "download to my pda" I think it worked better for the script rather than saying download it to my phone. Later in the episode he specifically was looking at his treo when it changed screens and it said incoming call, which he answered. This season he has a different phone because it's 3 years later and possibly palm in their stupidity didn't pay for product placement.

Palm OS right now reminds me of Mac OS 8 & 9. Sure, it was prettier and easier to use than the competition, but it's based on outdated technology is being dragged kicking and screaming into supporting new features.

It needs a well-done complete rewrite ala OS X before it can expect to come back. (I still love my Treo, but I will likely abandon it as I did with my Mac if they can't get one to support UTMS soon.)

To above:
I fully agree wit you. I went from a IIIxe to a Sony Clie SJ22-U and now have a Treo 650. Aside from the colour screen and better resolution there really have been no exciting UI changes.
Love my device to death, but reluctantly consider purchasing a winmob device.